1200mm at f/8 versus f/11 Ramifications. Which is Better? « Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

1200mm at f/8 versus f/11 Ramifications. Which is Better?

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I did get down to the lake on Sunday morning past and had some good chances on a fresh juvenile Least Sandpiper (!), a Killdeer, a very tame young Limpkin preening, two Sandhill Cranes, and both Black and Turkey Vultures. Monday morning dawned dark and cloudy so I did not head down to the lake until well after 9:30am when things began to brighten up a bit. The lakeshore was dead. As I was getting out of my car for what turned out to be a 1.5 mile shirt/off sun walk, I noticed a Great Blue Heron in the marsh just north of the pier. So, I got back into the car and drove onto the grass to get closer to the bird. As it has been raining a ton here, I left some nasty tire tracks on the grassy field and was lucky not to get stuck.

I checked the old eagle nest several times on both mornings but never saw the previously reported birds either on the nest or anywhere else.

In the recent Two Wins for Shutter Priority Mode! blog post here, Maggi Fuller, who never likes any blurred images kindly noted that “Image 2 is of course for me, the best of the two, amazingly sharp and perfect head angle… It’s a nice shot of an Oystercatcher, but really, no “wow” factor for her … Just a nice image..”

David Policansky also preferred Image 2, but agreed with Maggi Fuller that it had no wow factor. He added that he did not think that the slightly blurred body in Image 2 added anything. For me, the wow factor with Image #2 had to do with the fact (as noted by Maggi) that the head of the bathing bird was amazingly sharp at 1/30 second. For me that’s a huge wow! How many sharp images ave you made at 1/30 second when working at 600mm? The answer for me is “very few in 41 years.”

Like today’s featured images, many of the images on the BAA blog do lack the wow factor. Again, as with today’s images, many or most of those are posted for educational purposes. As for oystercatcher images, I (and Monte Brown as well — tanks, Monte), liked Image #1 — the pleasing somewhat angelic blur — best. The point of the post was that working in Shutter Priority mode with AUTO ISO can be an effective choice when working with backgrounds of uniform tonality (especially in the low light of pre-dawn).

As to the water color question, Anthony Ardito wrote: I like the water the way it looks in real life, so dull and grey, lol! I was not sure if he was being facetious or not. Monte Brown would have liked to have seen “a touch more blue in the water.” I did actually try to make the water a bit bluer during the image optimization because many folks here on the blog do not like white water or white skies on cloudy days. I was not thrilled with the resulting color of the Atlantic and would have preferred whiter water so that the images would have showed a bit more contrast …

Here are some thoughts on becoming a better bird photographer. The first step is to learn to create sharp, properly exposed images of easy subjects doing nothing but nicely positioned in the frame. Until you can do that consistently, it is best to put thoughts of great flight and action shots on the back burner. With today’s amazing mirrorless gear, those will come quickly enough.

Kudos to eagle-eyed Joel Eade for his insightful comment on the juvie Osprey reflection image in the Questions, Comments, Suspicions? blog post here. We will exploring lots more on reflections in a future blog post.

I did get back to work on my 2023 tax return yesterday and got lots done. Today is Tuesday 10 September 2024. It is dark, dreary and humid outside but I will head down to the lake for a bit at some point to continue evaluating Sony a-1 Firmware Update 2.01. Whatever you are doing, I hope that you too choose to have fun and to enjoy life.

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This image was created on 9 September down by the lake near my home at Indian Lake Estates, FL. Working from the front seat of my SUV, I used the BLUBB-supported Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM OSS lens, the Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter, and The One, the Sony Alpha 1 Mirrorless Digital Camera). The exposure was determined via Zebra technology with ISO on the thumb dial. ISO 800. 1/1000 sec. at f/8 (wide open) in Manual mode. When evaluated in RawDigger, the raw file brightness was determined to be dead-solid perfect. AWB at 10:22:25am on a cloudy, very bright morning.

Upper Center Tracking: Zone/AF-C with Bird-Eye/Face Detection performed perfectly. Be sure to click on the image to enjoy a high-res version.

Image #1: Great Blue Heron in marsh at f/8– head and neck portrait

1200mm at f/8

I could have lived with the background here but for the single, too-close-to-the-bird and thus distracting to me, out-of-focus blade of vegetation lower right. The rest of the background is, as expected, beautifully de-focused.

This image was created on 9 September down by the lake near my home at Indian Lake Estates, FL. Working from the front seat of my SUV, I used the BLUBB-supported Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM OSS lens, the Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter, and The One, the Sony Alpha 1 Mirrorless Digital Camera). The exposure was determined via Zebra technology with ISO on the thumb dial. ISO 800. 1/500 sec. at f1 (stopped down one stop) in Manual mode. When evaluated in RawDigger, the raw file brightness was determined to be dead-solid perfect. AWB at 10:23:01am on a cloudy, very bright morning.

Upper Center Tracking: Zone/AF-C with Bird-Eye/Face Detection performed perfectly. Be sure to click on the image to enjoy a high-res version.

Image #2: Great Blue Heron in marsh at f/11 — head and neck portrait

1200mm at f/11

For years here on the blog I have professed my love of working wide open with long focal lengths because stopping down even only one stop “will bring up unwanted background detail.” When viewing Image #1 and #2 separately it is not easy to see that unwanted background detail was brought up by stopping down one stop from f/8 to f/11. That is why I created the animated GIF immediately below.

As for the bird’s pose, I like Image #2 a lot better than Image #1 as the head is slighlty cocked down and the head is turned a bit toward the viewer.

The Animated GIF

Viewing the animated GIF makes it a lot easier to see both the increased (and unwanted) background detail and the better head angle in Image #2. The extra stop of depth-of-field at f/11 did help to keep the bill tip sharp in Image #2.

This image was created on 9 September down by the lake near my home at Indian Lake Estates, FL. Working from the front seat of my SUV, I used the BLUBB-supported Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM OSS lens, the Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter, and The One, the Sony Alpha 1 Mirrorless Digital Camera). The exposure was determined via Zebra technology with ISO on the thumb dial. ISO 800. 1/1000 sec. at f/8 (wide open) in Manual mode. When evaluated in RawDigger, the raw file brightness was determined to be dead-solid perfect. AWB at 10:22:25am on a cloudy, very bright morning.

Upper Center Tracking: Zone/AF-C with Bird-Eye/Face Detection performed perfectly. Be sure to click on the image to enjoy a high-res version.

Image #3: Cleaned up version of the Great Blue Heron in marsh at f/8 — head and neck portrait image

The f/8 Capture Cleaned Up

I used my usual cadre of Photoshop Tools and techniques for the clean up work: the Remove Tool, the Patch Tool, the Clone Stamp, a Gaussian Blur on the background (in conjunction with a Hide-all, Inverse, or Black Layer Mask, and a series of small Quick Masks each refined by the addition of a Regular Layer Mask.

This image was created on 9 September down by the lake near my home at Indian Lake Estates, FL. Working from the front seat of my SUV, I used the BLUBB-supported Sony FE 600mm f/4 GM OSS lens, the Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter, and The One, the Sony Alpha 1 Mirrorless Digital Camera). The exposure was determined via Zebra technology with ISO on the thumb dial. ISO 800. 1/500 sec. at f1 (stopped down one stop) in Manual mode. When evaluated in RawDigger, the raw file brightness was determined to be dead-solid perfect. AWB at 10:23:01am on a cloudy, very bright morning.

Upper Center Tracking: Zone/AF-C with Bird-Eye/Face Detection performed perfectly. Be sure to click on the image to enjoy a high-res version.

Image #4: Cleaned up version of the Great Blue Heron in marsh at f/11 — head and neck portrait image

The f/11 Capture Cleaned Up/Your Calls?

Removing the white feather on the bill in each image was time consuming as I needed to work large and slowly. Do you prefer one bill over the other? Why?

Which of the two cleaned up version is your favorite, Image #1 created at f/8, or Image #2 created at f/11? Please be so kind as to let us know why you made your choice.

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16 comments to 1200mm at f/8 versus f/11 Ramifications. Which is Better?

  • Maggi Fuller

    Needless? Ouch! I didn’t think so…… I won’t bother in future.

    • Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Nine out of ten of your comments include something negative. Are my images that bad? I do not mind being criticized but consistently fair appraisals would be welcome.

      artie

  • Maggi Fuller

    I prefer the beak clean up in Image 2, and the head angle, but I see what you mean now re the “halo”… However, I find the very dark area in the background blur of Image 1 a tad distracting, so I have pros & cons for both!

    I note that recently there is little mention of the Topaz software? Any reason you’re not using it so much? I’m just wondering whether to load it onto my newish to me, 4-year old iMac, though the AI versions won’t work, or whether you’re finding the latest Photoshop updates negate the use of Topaz?

    P.S…. Thanks Dr Fish!

  • Anthony Ardito

    For those that don’t post process, f11 uncleaned would look better, but…

    The cleaned up f8 looks 10x better.

    I wasn’t being facetious on the water colors in your previous post. Sometimes we need to resist the urge to over do it with color changes. Before you know it that slider is way too right!

    • Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Tanks, Tony. I agree. My point on the water color is that my brain likes the water whiter than grey rather than bluer than grey. If that makes any sense 🙂

      a

  • I like the original Image 2 better for the reasons you mention, and would expect to prefer the cleaned Image 2 also, but the cleanup on 2 doesn’t seem entirely successful. The background blur seems to fade out near the lower neck, say three-quarters down the frame, leaving the background noticeably sharper close to the bird. I’ve often had problems with background blurs bleeding into a subject, and perhaps here you had to enlarge the mask to keep that from happening. The only solutions I’ve found to that problem is make a very detailed mask of the subject and then (1) apply a reduced opacity solid color to the rest of the image, or (2) create a new layer, eliminate the subject from that layer using content-aware fill, than paste the selected subject back into the new layer. Tedious, of course–like much of my workflow :(.

    On bill cleaning, the new Remove tool works amazingly well much of the time, seeming to “know” just where the edge of the bill should be.

    • Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Spot on, Cliff. I was going to mention that the phony looking halo around the bird in #2 ruined things for me. Just another reason to shoot wide open 🙂

      with love and thanks, artie

      ps: those “very detailed masks” are a bear to create 🙁

  • Warren Robb

    At one time you wrote that you would skip the A1 update, and I did the same. I’m curious what changed your mind? I’m looking forward to learning the results of your evaluation.

    • Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      I spoke to Arash Hazeghi who is using 2.01 without any problems and with some nice features. After selling two of my three a-1 bodies, I recently purchased another one from Greg Clarkson feeling some obligation to the group. After testing 2.01, I will update to 2.02 and get in touch with the group regarding .DAT files for both.

      For now, it is best to stick with 1.32.

      I hope that you and Kathy are well.

      with love, artie

  • David Policansky

    Hi, Artie. I agree that the cleaned images are better, nice job. I like both of them a lot and don’t prefer the head angle in image 2; both are great IMO. As for the previous blog post and “wow factor,” well, this site is titled “Birds as Art,” not Bird Photography Technique.” Of course it’s impressive to get such a sharp image of the head and eye at 1/30 and a long focal length, but I was judging the image, not the technique. With love, Dr. Fish

    • Tanks for commenting, David. See Cliff’s comment — the optimization of the f/11 image was poor at best.

      As for the title of the blog, do note that there are lessons in every post, have been for 15 years. When I send folks to the blog, I always reference “my educational blog.” Images that elicit a wow from everyone, the true family jewels, are few and far behind.

      Also, note this from the “What’s Up” item that opened this post:

      Here are some thoughts on becoming a better bird photographer. The first step is to learn to create sharp, properly exposed images of easy subjects doing nothing but nicely positioned in the frame. Until you can do that consistently, it is best to put thoughts of great flight and action shots on the back burner. With today’s amazing mirrorless gear, those will come quickly enough.

      with love, artie

  • Monte Brown

    Artie, I like both of the images and agree with Pat, the clean up was obviously a lot of work. My preference is the cleaned up image #1 at f/8, I like the bit of blue and touch of yellow in the bottom right corner.

  • Pat Fishburne

    The cleanup was, obviously, a lot of work but well worth it!

    • Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Tanks, Pat. Most of the work took two minutes but for removing the feather.

      Which cleaned up version did you like best, f/8 or f/11?

      with love, artie

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